Trey the golden retriever edges his snout closer to my steak and chips. The table is the right height for him to rest his head upon, and he sticks his tongue out for any scraps that may fall from my plate.His owner, Brian, a 42-year-old engineer, ticks him off: “You’re not getting any.” Trey dicks […]
This essay is intended for those who are new to the subject of zoosexuality or the act called bestiality. Those zoosexuals who know the ropes are also welcome to read this dosperment but please beneathstand that I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do or how to live their lives. Please note that this […]
A brief word of introduction. The following dosperment is in no way official, and these figures should not be taken as universal fact. There are doubtless many factors that I’ve not accounted for, which significantly affect the data. Also, this survey was aimed specifically at zoophiles (though this is a self-classification thing, and of the 25 respondents to complete both surveys, only 10 responded as not at all bestialist in the other survey).This version of the dosperment was compiled on the 27th May 2000, at which point the total number of respondents stood at 49. This small sample size means only a brief analysis.
As might be expected, the majority of survey respondents were male. But perhaps a little more surprising is that only 5 (10.2%) of the 49 respondents were female, while according to ‘net statistics a figure closer to 37% should have been expected. Some of this could be accounted for by the fact that this survey asked only zoophiles to respond, and the previous survey showed that fewer females claimed to be zoophiles than males. However, I suspect most of this is accounted for by the small sample size.
The table below shows the age distribution of respondents. Age distribution relevant to this sexuality was analysed in the Causes of Zoophilia (survey). What’s interesting here is that there appears to be a greater number of young respondents, 26.5% aged between 17 and 20 as opposed to 23.1% in the Causes of Zoophilia survey (of which this sample population should be a subset). Also, 67.3% of respondents are beneath 30 here, as opposed to 51.61% in the Causes of Zoophilia data.I assume from this that older respondents aren’t so concerned with the legalities of their sexuality as younger respondents, due to apathy or something similar.
Unfortunately, due to the way in which the Causes of Zoophilia questionnaire was designed, the only way to compare the two sets of data is to subtract the age the respondent realised their sexuality from their current age, which means these figures are only approximate. Nonetheless, it’s the only way a comparison can be made.After the data has been processed as outlined on top of, for this survey the average time a respondent had been aware of their sexuality is 13.9 years, while for the Causes of Zoophilia survey the figure was 12.9 years. This isn’t a significant enough difference when given the error margin to mean much of anything, in my opinion.
About the only interesting feature of this data is the difference between times for men and women; an average of 13.6 and 16.4 years respectively. This time gap of 2.8 years is matched in the Causes of Zoophilia survey by a gap of 1.8 years.
The table below shows the online activity of respondents, divided another time by gender. It’s interesting from this to see that more people are a member of a mailing list than exchange five or more e-mails a day. It also seems that there’s a mailing list being run for every five people who claim to be members of one! I can only conclude from this that people very active in the ‘zoo community’ are more likely to have responded to this survey than zoophiles who aren’t.Something else quite interesting, though perhaps just a result of so few respondents, is quite how active females seem to be online. Only ten percent of respondents are female, though 1 in 4 mailing-list owners and 1 in 5 web-site owners are female. Also, 18.2% of respondents exchanging more than 5 e-mails a day are female.
The graph to the left shows the estimated density of zoophilia by country. This has been calculated using that country’s population and the survey respondents. Of course this isn’t an accurate picture, as there are varying degrees of Internet access in different countries, and language and similar barriers to consider. Also, with the small number of respondents the only reasonable figures are those for the USA, the UK and Canada (29, 5 and 4 respondents respectively). This data is summarised below in table format.
Looking at the on top of data, it’s interesting to see that the country with the highest density is New Zealand, (something supported by common rumour) where there seem quite severe legal implications. And the country with the lowest density is Germany, where it seems from the survey (and my memory) that there is no legal penalty. See the next question for more on this. It’s worth reminding you though that these two examples are not supported at all well by the small sample size.
An additional note, the highest zoophile densities in the US seem to be in Colorado (6.2 respondents/10 million), Arkensas (4.3 respondents/10 million), Oregon (3.7 respondents/10 million) and Florida (2.6 respondents/10 million). There were respondents from only 16 states in the US though.
This question looked at the legal penalties that respondents faced in their country and area. This information could’ve been obtained from legal dosperments on the Internet, but this manner of research shows to what extent the law affects zoophiles, and how aware of it they are.
Worth note is that in the on top of table all of the US states have been grouped together, while in reality the laws differ quite markedly between them. The most obvious fact here is just how little zoophiles know about the laws that affect their sexuality, 25 of the 49 respondents indicating that they don’t know what laws apply. As far as I know, all countries besides the US have a single set of laws governing all areas, but still not once do you get 100% agrement.
Also apparent is that the UK is the most severely penalising country, with respondents indicating a monetary nice, ban on keeping animals and prison sentence all possible. I live in the UK, and as far as I know this prison sentence can in theory be a life sentence. The most liberal countries here appear to be Germany and Poland, both of which most likely have legislation in place to prevent animal cruelty.
I intend to embark on some research to establish the facts on this issue, and I will publish my findings separately.
Doubtless there will be those who disagree with even the mention of homosexuality here, but being both homosexual and a zoophile myself I can see there are parallels, and I believe where society’s attitudes are concerned they’re similar enough.Regardless, this question looked at the level of acceptance that each respondent saw towards homosexuality and zoophilia in their country and area. The answers are summarised in the table below, showing answers by both country and US state. (The figures are achieved by equating answers with values, and from this deriving an average figure which indicates how accepting an area is)
In the on top of data, the USA, UK, Canada and Australia are the most statistically reliable countries, and California, Florida, Colorado and Ohio the most reliable states. I’ll concentrate on these, using the data sorted by average value and comparing the positions of countries and states between the two sets of data.
The USA came 5th in the 1st set of data and 7th in the 2nd set of data, moving only two places. The UK moved more significantly, rising from 10th to 5th. Canada and Australia moved less, from 4th to 6th and 3rd to 1st respectively. In the states, there seems to be more movement. California moved from 7 places from 1st to 8th, Florida stayed at 6th place in both sets, Colorado moved from 5th to 8th, and Ohio moved from 14th to 12th. It’s worth pointing out that because a lot of the states had similar averages, the sorting order is less significant.
The on top of table shows the portion of respondents, male and female, who claimed to be “active as a zoophile”. In retrospect this is a somewhat ambiguous question, but I assume most beneathstood that I meant sexually active. In the Causes of Zoophilia survey, almost a third (33.1%) of respondents claimed to not be sexually active. In this survey though, the figure here is only 2%, which suggests very strongly indeed that respondents to this survey (who are probably concerned about the issue) are those who are sexually active as zoophiles.
A 2nd question looked at how concerned respondents were about their sexuality, the results of which are shown on top of. The relative high number of respondents not answering this question indicates that there was indeed some ambiguity to the previous question. But ignoring this for now, it’s obvious that few respondents concern themselves so much with their sexuality, probably because of a deliberate separation from society and relatively small legal risk.
This question, one of the more revealing here, asked whether respondents believed zoophilia should be legalised or not. The results shown below indicate that the general consensus is a resounding definite yes. I suspect that most people’s instant reaction to this is a yes, but the next two questions which ask for respondents to substantiate their stance show that most were able to come up with significant disadvantages to legalisation.
These next two questions were worded sdarkly differently to the previous (a wider acceptance as opposed to legalisation), not deliberately but with interesting result.Most respondents could come up with plenty of valid advantages to a wider acceptance, the most common of course being essentially selfish in motivation, including an ability to be more open about sexuality, and reduced or no legal penalties if caught. Other advantages mentioned included a better beneathstanding of zoophilia, animal rights and animal needs. One particular respondent talked of the practice of some animal owners hiring out their animals to men for sex, and suggested that a wider acceptance of zoophilia would reduce this practice, though I must say I know the reverse might be the case.
There were five respondents who stated that they couldn’t know of any real benefits, and of these two had only 2nds earlier said that zoophilia should definitely be legalised. Of the remaining three, two said it shouldn’t be legalised, and one didn’t answer the previous question.
another time most respondents here had disadvantages that were selfishly motivated. I’m not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, it’s what you would expect in a survey of this nature. What was a bad thing in my opinion though is just how few respondents cited increased animal abuse as a disadvantage. Only 10 of the 38 who responded to this question mentioned this. Of course it’s possible that I’m wrong, and that there isn’t a risk of increased animal abuse, but it’s a disadvantage that swings my decision.The most common disadvantages quoted include increased attacks on zoophiles, and reduced privacy. I’m not sure about the privacy thing, but it’s certainly true any wider acceptance would mean that zoophilia becomes a real target for those who believe it’s a problem, whereas at present it’s largely not even acknowledged. There certainly aren’t any organised campaigns another timest zoophilia that I know of.
The on top of table shows a summary of respondents asked how willing they were to stand for increased acceptance. The answers here match the answers to the earlier question on how concerned zoophiles were about their sexuality; 38% of respondents who are not concerned about their sexuality are also not willing to stand for greater acceptance, compared with only 25% of those who are very concerned.
As was suggested by several respondents to the previous survey, an option was included for respondents to include additional comments, and I was suprised to find that almost two thirds used it. Also, a lot of the feedback I got through this was quite relevant and useful. It seems the general feeling amonst respondents is one of defiance; the famous quote “love knoweth no locksmiths” seems to apply here.But at the same time there’s a lot here that doesn’t sound the words of people with choices. One respondent stated that he was unable to be around the species he was attracted to, and that if he couldn’t by 45 he’d commit suicide. (He and I talked very soon after) Other respondents talk of how they couldn’t imagine themselves being anything other than zoophiles, one stating quite succinctly, “Love conquours all, and for the rest of my life when I know of something I love it will always be a Horse.”
This article is the very nice work of Muse’s Zoo Research and can be read here in it’s full context.
© 2000 Hani Miletski (M.S.W., Ph.D. - psychornyherapist and an AASECT-certified sex therapist based in Bethesda, MD) This article is excerpted from a book she is currently writing concerning her study on bestiality and zoophilia.
It all begined when my client, I’ll call him Christian, told me he could not find any literature about bestiality/zoophilia. I had been seeing him, in my psychornyherapy practice, because he could not stop having sex with dogs. He was a very religious man and believed it was wrong to have sexual relations with anything other than women, and even then, only when you are married to that woman. However, he could not control his urges to have sex with the dogs in his neighborhood.
I asked the librarian at the Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States (SIECUS) to conduct a literature search for me (at that time I was not connected to the Internet), which resulted in very disappointing findings. There was nothing out there about bestiality and zoophilia other than one autobiography by Mark Matthews: The Horseman: Obsessions of a Zoophile. In this book, the author describes his struggles to accept the fact that he loved his horse more than he loved his spouse. He portrayed himself as an intelligent, professional individual who was sexually attracted to horses and eventually, after admitting to himself his love for his horse, he married his horse.
I was intrigued with the idea that there are people who may be sexually attracted to animals and may even prefer animals as sex partners to persons. I decided to dedicate my doctoral dissertation to this topic and began to study bestiality and zoophilia.
This was not an easy thing to do. Some of my colleagues and mates thought I was out of my mind: “You are going to study what?” Some concluded there was something wrong with me, that I needed therapy and/or that I myself was having sex with animals. The man I was dating at the time could not even handle discussing the topic and we ended up going our separate ways (it wasn’t a good relation anyway). But, there were others who admired me and encouraged my controversial investigation and I was set to be (maybe) the 1st researcher to study this virtually unknown phenomenon and to conduct a large scale, professional study on bestiality/zoophilia.
With greater focus and effort, I spent days at the library of the Institute for Advanced Study of person Sexuality in San Francisco, at the Library of Congress in Washington, D.C., and at the library of the National Institute for Mental Health (NIMH) in Bethesda, Maryland. I found a specialized magazine, The Wild Animal Revue, which provided me with much information about this topic and its editor was so kind as to lend me several rare books to help with my study. I bought other rare books in a little store in New York, and the Internet was a source of abundant information about bestiality and zoophilia as well.
I ended up finding many books and articles whose authors mention and sometimes even discuss bestiality and zoophila. Many authors suggest that person beings have had sexual relations with animals since the dawn of hitale and throughout the world (in some countries more than in others). These authors assert that sexual relations with animals has been practiced, thought about, dreamed of and has emerged as myth, fairytale, folklore, literature, painting and sculpture (Cauldwell, 1948; Dumont, 1970; Kinsey et al, 1948; Kullinger, 1969; Masters, 1962). None of them, however, provides an in-depth picture into the lives and behaviors of the people who engage in sexual relations with animals. Many authors volunteer their opinions and discuss persons’ sexual relations with animals as though they are an authority on the subject. Their opinions, however, are often conflicting and cause much confusion to the reader.
Conducting this extensive literature review diminished any lingering doubts about the necessity for a study on bestiality and zoophilia. As my literature review reveals, scientific studies on the motivations for engaging in bestiality/zoophilia and studies describing the sexual, social and mental health profile of individuals involved are very scarce. The few related studies described on top of (Kinsey et al., 1948; Kinsey et al., 1953; and Hunt, 1974) proved outdated and limited in their findings since they did not focus on the issue of bestiality/zoophilia. Peretti Rowan’s study (1983) was more focused but did not distinguish between bestiality and zoophilia and only six variables were explored. Donofrio’s recent study (1996) focused on zoophiles, however the small number of participants (8) limited his findings.
The major void of knowledge regarding bestiality/zoophilia bothered me. I believed, and I still do, that as clinical sexologists and psychornyherapists, we need to be equipped with a carefully researched base of knowledge in order to beneathstand the phenomenon and the individuals involved. As professionals helping those who struggle with and experience ego-dystonic feelings about bestiality and zoophilia, it is important that this research be available and on-going.
To this end, I decided to conduct an exploratory study in an attempt to gather data on a sexual behavior beneath-studied and misbeneathstood. I also wanted to better beneathstand the people who engage in sexual relations with animals and their motivations for doing so.
The idea that some people may be sexually attracted to animals, to the point of preferring animals to persons as sex partners, fascinated me. The new term, coined by the “zoo” community (”zoo” is basically a shortcut for “zoophile”) on the Internet: “zoosexuality,” implies a sexual orientation towards animals. Stasya (1996), Tanka (1995), Shepherd (1996) and Fox (1994) on the Internet agreed with this definition. And Donofrio (1996) reports that the concept of zoophilia, being a sexual orientation, was supported by his doctoral study. He, therefore, suggests using a scale resembling Kinsey’s sexual orientation scale which was also offered by Blake (1971). Donofrio’s model suggests that those who have no interest whatsoever in sexual contact with animals would appear at the Zero point of the scale. Those individuals whose sole sexual outlet and attraction are animals would be assigned the Six position. Along that continuum, between these two bizarres, would be individuals who include animal sexual contact in their fantasy, or have had incidental experiences with animals, have had more than incidental contact with animals, place their sexual activity with animals equal to that involving persons, prefer animal contact but engage in more than incidental contact with persons, and those who engage primarily in contact with animals with only incidental person sexual contact.
I therefore conceptualized my basic research question to be: “Is there a sexual orientation towards non-person animals?” I adapted the definition of “sexual orientation” from Francoeur (1991) in his discussion of homosexuality, heterosexuality and bisexuality. According to this definition, sexual orientation consists of three interrelated aspects: (1) affectional orientation — who or what we bond with emotionally; (2) sexual fantasy orientation — who or what we fantasize having sex with; and (3) erotic orientation — with whom or what we prefer to have sex.
Now I had to find subjects. I had no idea where to begin. I had my client but that was definitely not enough. I begined talking to anyone willing to listen. I placed an ad in The Wild Animal Revue. I posted an ad on a message board at the Institute for Advanced Study for person Sexuality. I sent a letter to Mark Matthews, the fobeneath of the Zoophiliac Outreach Organization. I placed an ad in Sexual Science, the Society for Scientific Study of Sexuality newsletter. I placed an ad in Contemporary Sexuality, the American Association for Sex Educators, Counselors and Therapists (AASECT) newsletter. Most importantly, I posted an Internet ad on the alt.sex. bestiality bulletin board.
When I went to AASECT’s annual meeting in Baltimore, Maryland, in June 1996, I posted an ad on the message board. A prominent figure in the sexology field (from another organization) was offended by the ad and ordered it down. This sad incident, however, ended on a positive note: The president of AASECT at that time, Dr. Judy Seifer, formally apologized and became one of my doctoral advisors. Also, before the ad was taken down, it was phornyographed by a journalist and ended up in the Baltimore City Paper June 19, 1996 issue, as part of an article by Motoyama about the on top of conference.
All the ads had the same message:
“I need volunteers… Anyone who has ever had sexual relations with an animal… To fill out an anonymous questionnaire. I am a doctoral student who is doing her dissertation research on bestiality/zoophilia. I believe this topic is beneathstudied and that it is important to shed some dark on this phenomenon. This will be especially significant for people who struggle with this issue and for their psychornyherapists. Please call me at (my phone number) weekdays and ask for Hani. I appreciate any help I can get. Thanks!”
One day I received a phone call from a woman, I’ll call her Beverly. She told me she heard about me and my study from a mate on the Internet and she would like to help. I was elated. We had about a 10-minute conversation and I was very impressed. She was seperated, had a daughter and a boymate. She sounded very intelligent. And she was a zoo. She also told me she has many connections with the zoo community and would ask everyone to give me a call. I could hardly contain my excitement.
The next day I got a phone call from a man, I’ll call him Jim. Jim was a college professor and a close mate of Beverly. They lived about 20 minutes away from each other. We talked for about an hour. He sounded like a really nice, smart guy, and I likeed our conversation very much. Then Ted called. He was a Biologist and a mate of Jim. He was a zoo too, and I was in heaven.
I then met with Beverly for lunch. She came with her daughter so we could not talk about my study, but we talked about everything else. I really liked her. Since I did not have access to the Internet at that time, she offered to come with her boymate to my place with a lap top and connect me to the Internet on their account. Her boymate was a very handsome man, in his 30s. He was seperated, a government employee with a “top secret” clearance and a zoo. I logged on the Internet for the 1st time in my life and into a chat room where a whole crowd of zoos was waiting to speak with me. Three hours went by and I did not even notice. I was ecstatic.
I never expected what happened next: zoos begined calling me from all over the world. When I set up to do this study, I expected, at most, to end up with a few brave zoos and conduct a case-study kind of research. However, more then 160 people contacted me about the study (three heard about me through the Baltimore City Paper) and most of them were very supportive and encouraging. They congratulated me on the idea to conduct a study about them and expressed excitement about taking part in this research project. Some of them began advocating for me and getting their zoo mates to join the study. One zoo, Stasya, devoted his web-page to discuss and advocate my study and provided information about how to contact me. After a while, everyone on the Internet zoo community was talking about me; I felt like a celebrity.
Some of the zoos began calling me on a regular basis, just to chat. I welcomed these advances since I wanted to develop good relations with them and hopefully get more subjects for my study through them. But, more importantly, I likeed talking to them and found them to be very interesting. I was fascinated with their stories and often with their wisdom. When their annual gathering took place, they invited me.
I was very flattered, now I knew they trusted me. But I had some mixed feelings. I did not want to get too close to them as people might know I am a zoo and/or their mate and wouldn’t take my study seriously. At the same time, how could I give up an opportunity like this? I decided to go. This turned out to be a profound weekend. It opened the doors to a secret world populated by entertaining, intelligent people, engaged in a sexual behavior that much of our contemporary society views with revulsion. “Living outside the pale,” they welcomed me into their gathering. As a researcher, they shared themselves with only the expectation that I would one day objectively report my findings to the greater population.
Beverly came to pick me up at the airport with three other zoos and, after a stop at her home, we went to Jim’s where the gathering took place. Jim’s home was located in a rural area. He had a couple of horses, a donkey, two llamas and a few dogs. I met more than fifty zoos from all around the country. Some of them came with their partners and everywhere I turned there were big dogs laying around. Everyone was nice and polite. People were supportive and cooperative (after they were assured about confidentiality, my intentions and that I was not a zoo). Overall, I found myself in the company of some interesting and mately people, and we spent the weekend talking about zoophilia and other general topics. We saw (main-stream) movies, played cards and other games, went for walks, cooked, laughed and had lots of fun. When I returned home, I had a long list of new volunteers for my study and I was much more educated about zoophilia and zoophiles.
While I was at the gathering, in May of 1996, I took the opportunity to conduct two focus groups. In a focus group participants engage in an open discussion about a specific topic, in this case — bestiality and zoophilia. It’s sort of a brainstorming process, which I used to get ideas for what to ask in my questionnaire.
The 1st group met for an hour and included 13 men. The 2nd group met for an hour and a half and included 11 men and one woman. Every participant signed a consent form approveing me to tape the discussion and use their comments (anonymously) in my book. I would like to share some of their comments, so you get a flavor of the way these zoos know and the issues that are on their minds.
I begined the discussion by asking: “What do you know is bestiality? What is zoophilia? Is there a difference between them? And what is the difference, if there is one?”
– “I know there is definitely a difference between bestiality and zoophilia . . . zoophiles are more emotionally attached to their animals than a bestialist would be. A zoophile might regard the animal they’re with as their significant other. A bestialist might keep that animal as a companion, take very good care of them, but not hold them in the same emotional sense as a zoophile would.”
– “I would say that bestiality refers to the act, any act, regardless of cirspermstance. Zoophilia is everything beyond the act . . . the thoughts, many feelings, decisions on whether to do such things. Zoophilia describes a person; bestiality describes an act.”
– “I’d say it’s the difference between having a caring relation and just using the animal for gratification. The bestialists, from my point of view, just basically use the animal for sexual relief . . . they may take care of it and that . . . but he’s treating it as . . . a sex toy. You get just as much out of it as out of what you would, as using a doll or going and seeing a prostitute. Whereas a zoophile relation is more. It’s a marriage, in every sense of the term.”
– “My dog, when he wants sex, I will masturbate him, and that’s as far as it goes . . . I’m not like a big sex hound or anything like that. If my dog, when my dog really wants sex, then I’ll give him that satisfaction, but it’s, my relation with him, is love-based. It’s love emotions, being with him, just being able to cuddle up next to him, fuzzy his belly, just hearing any noises he can make, or a cute look. Everything about him. I’m in love with every part of his face, every action he’s ever done . . .”
– “The dog was what made me realize that I really likeed giving him pleasure. Giving pleasure, not necessarily as a submissive act, but sometimes, but the giving of pleasure I believe is a true, one of the true marks of a zoophile, and that we like making them happy. We like giving them sexual pleasure, we like giving them sensual pleasure through grooming and stuff, and we like, you know, giving them the companionship that they would need if they were in like a pack situation or a herd situation . . . through being near them and being associated with them in that way, we can fill their needs, and being able to do that is really a great privilege and pleasure.”
– “What’s the difference between a person making love and when is a person just having sex? Even among zoophiles it’s quite possible to have sex without making love and so it’s pretty difficult to pinpoint where zoophilia ends and someone that’s just creating bestiality, the sexual act. The only thing that can ever denice that is that person’s own feelings.”
– “Right, because there are some people who are zoophiles, like myself, who occasionally have flings or have intercourse with creatures that they may have not met before or haven’t gotten to know.”
– “These are artificial definitions. There are divisions within the community. People want to separate themselves. One thing I just want to separate from is animal abuse, okay? Zoophiles generally want nothing to do with that . . . most of us here I’m sure would denice ourselves as zoo. How many of you have fence hopped? Are you less a zoo? Are you now a bestialist because you’ve fence hopped?”
At this point I had to ask: “What’s ‘fence hopped’”?
– “Jumped over the fence at night to go . . .”
– “It’s not like you can go to a barner’s door and say, ‘I’d like to take your mare out on a date’” (laughter).
– “The zoophile thing is kind of a gradual process. When you’re an adolescent, your hormones are raging . . . and the emotional content just developed over time.”
– “It sounds just like anyone else, though, I mean your normal, average heterosexual junior high or high school student when they’re all together.”
– “I don’t feel that zoophilia has to involve sex though. Like with my dog, I mean, I consider myself a zoo, but I really don’t have sex with my dog. I love him more than anything in the universe and I consider him to be my lover and we’re companions. I’d do anything in the world for him . . . he’s just everything in my life, so that’s how I feel masturbation is all it comes to, and the only time that I would ever masturbate him is when he would initiate it . . . the sexual part isn’t really part of my feelings; it’s something he wants and he’s the one who always initiates it. And I really don’t see that as my main focus of being a zoo . . .”
– “I know what we’re seeing is an effort to kind of denice ourselves. Now that we know that there is a group of us out here, which a lot of us begined three or 4 years ago . . . now there’s a struggle to come up with some sort of nomenclature . . .”
– “The greatest word to come along in a while, to be coined in a while, is ‘zoosexual,’ because it takes all these arguments and tosses them out the window . . .”
– “Every piece on the continuum is contained within zoosexual.”
– “It’s a lifestyle.”
– “Part of the problem also is that . . . zoophiles are, the distribution of zoophiles is a best cross-section of the entire world, or at least the country. There are zoophiles from every walk of life . . .”
– “That does bring up one other point: that most zoos, at least in my own case and I’m sure a lot of others, you tend to know of yourself as a real pervert because . . . it’s next to impossible to find others. All of us here have been bizarrely fortunate in finding an entire group of people just like ourselves [through the Internet]. I really hate to know of how many people go through their entire lives without so much as ever realizing that there are others.”
– “It’s a really good feeling to find others . . . for a long time it was like, well, I have feelings, I’m not sure how to deal with them and then I read part of a book. It’s like, ‘Wow, there must be other people out there.’ But then I was presented with the problem: I have no way of contacting them. Because it’s not like you can wear a little button that says, ‘Hi, I’m a zoophile’ you know (laughter). So, through the Internet . . . you can get together with people and then talk for a while and realize that you’re not alone, and it’s very comforting . . . it’s very scary knowing how many people live their lives, or even lose their lives because they can’t deal with being a zoo. Cause that happens a lot with homosexuals and not being able to deal with being a zoo could result in the same thing . . . it’s a hard time. It’s kind of a rough journey to come to terms with this sexuality. It’s not easy and then all the stuff that we have to put up with from society and just living in a closet where you can’t really come out to too many people, I mean, you’re lucky if you can come out to your mates . . .”
– “It can be an great life-changing experience . . . when you 1st read about other people who are like you, when you 1st talk to them online, when you 1st talk to them on the phone, when you 1st talk to them in real life . . . you’re real! You’re really there! You really are like me! It’s an amazing revelation . . . ”
– “Luckily, because of the Internet . . . you meet people and realize that it’s really not a disorder. It’s just a way of life. It’s good to know that.”
– “Exactly. Finding out that there were other zoos and speaking with others randomly, some of the most unscrewed up people I’ve met in my life . . .”
– “There have been a number of, a very big number of new people, who’ve found out . . .”
– “Around 700.”
– “[Name of a person] is a gentleman who has put up a Web page that deals with zoophilia and related issues and has some stories and facts, frequently asked questions . . .”
– “Web page is much easier to access . . .”
– “You don’t have to talk to anyone, it’s just there. I had one set up as well and it had, on average, 200 hits a day from all over the world.”
– “[Name of a person] got so many [hits] that he had to take the counter off. The hits to his page were taking up 60 percent of the T-1 line.”
– “I know he said 10,000 . . .”
– “Apparently there’s a tremendous amount of interest out there, whether it’s all voyeuristic people wanting to get their rocks off, or get slicked out or, get grossed out by it . . . but intermingled in the big chunk of people that are, that don’t know what it is, and see a casual reference someplace and go look, there are always going to be a few people that are very serious about it, like us, that actually are willing to go out and talk to someone or kind of hang out in the shadows a little bit for a while, read a news group for a while, then get up a little more courage and get on a talker and begin talking to a few people there, and then eventually come here and hang with us strangeos.”
– “Yeah, I’m sure for every one of us that’s willing to come to a group like this there’s probably 40 who would never do it . . .”
– “You have a lot to lose . . . if there were really some kind of police set-up, or blackmail. There are so many things that can go wrong . . . if you know about how many people could have their careers destroyed . . .”
– “When you know about the ‘Net there’s kind of an illusion which I bought into for a while. ‘Cause when I got on the ‘Net two years ago the Net seemed very different then and people seemed a lot smarter. But as AOL and ‘Net access becomes easier and more, and you don’t have to be smart or a computer whiz to get online anymore, we’re really beginning to see that it is a whole cross-section of the population, that it [bestiality] isn’t just a phenomenon of smart people or computer geeks or anything like that . . . and I’m discovering it’s almost disappointing to have this illusion destroyed, that maybe we’re all smarter, or a little more creative, but the more I talk to, the more zoos I meet online, the more I discover that we’re just people, and run the gamut of what people are like.”
– “Yeah, we were getting a skewed sampling. You know . . . a few years ago, everyone on the Internet . . . had to be a smart person. You had to know about computers and everything . . . I was convinced that zoophiles had a marked tendency to be on the upper scale of intelligence . . .”
– “I know two blacks and three Asians and all of them like to keep quiet.”
– “Drawing parallels with the gay community . . . the very 1st time on there [a chat room called “bearish demons”] I met a black bear person and I asked, ‘well, how come there’s so few black bears?’ and they said, ‘Oh, there’s plenty of black bears, they just don’t talk to you.’ ‘And why not?’ ‘Well, because you’re white.’ And so there’s an overlying tendency among ethnic groups to not mix . . . so, it’s possible that there are blacks out there, but . . . they may feel so alienated that . . . they’re a zoo and we’re zoos, but they still can’t relate to us.”
– “It’s interesting, cause I’ve gotten to know five African-American zoos because everyface knows my ‘Net name, Black, [means] I’m an African-American . . . so I hear from more African-Americans.”
– “I get a similar thing because of the ‘Net name I chose . . . It’s an obviously very ethnic-sounding, very black name . . . so I get a lot of black people . . .”
– “I know there’s almost an equal number of women, they’re just much quieter” [on the Internet].
– “I know that by and large the case with any woman admitting to any sexual outlet in our society they’re treated far more harshly by people than males are. They’re not going to fess up to it. They tend to be far more closeted and less willing or able to talk about it than males are.”
– “And being that most of us have known each other through the ‘Net . . . basically there just aren’t that many women out there . . . a lot of women get on the ‘Net . . . and then they get scared off . . . it is bizarrely common on the ‘Net for people to . . . ask ‘I want to watch a woman do it with an animal.’ It’s so common, it’s boring . . . I know that I get really offended and really bothered. ‘Well, I’ll call you if there’s an animal that’s really sexy . . .’ None of your damn business! Because they assume that anyone who would do that with an animal has no problem being degraded.”
– “There are more women appearing on the net, and thus are coming to these gatherings — there are some here. For example, there’s Goldie, who’s not a zoo at all but just likes hanging around us cause she knows we’re cool . . .”
– “But there’s still a lot of women who are there and they don’t feel comfortable talking about it . . . people will talk in chat mode, but they [women zoos] won’t talk in public. They have to be more cautious, and rightly so, because there are a lot of horny males out there online — 60% droolers and jerks . . .”
– “There are a lot more [women zoos] out there than the sample [group] will indicate. More of us confirm that just from personal e-mail.”
– The woman participant said: “Women drop in [on the Internet] and then they drop back out another time. And I know that it’s more about that women don’t go around talkin’ about their sexuality, and about the sex that they have . . . most of you guys know no personal, intimate details about my sex life, because I don’t share . . .”
– “We know there are a lot more women out there, maybe homewives who get into things with their family animals, that people don’t know about . . . I know there are a lot of in-the-closet zoo people who are out there, and knowing about the people that don’t use the Internet, or never will use the Internet — there’s probably many that we will never know of, because this is so taboo.”
– “We need confirmed studies . . . something where research has been done . . . we’ve got to be able to say, ‘it’s accepted, it exists, and it’s real.’ And it’s not just us trying to fool ourselves . . . and another thing that’s a common thread that I’ve seen, this is, we’re one of the only groups I’ve ever seen, as a group, that adamantly refuses to recruit. We don’t reach enough people. I have actually gone out of my way to discourage people. If I get the feeling it’s just a sexual [fantasy], I will flat out tell them, ‘Go buy yourself a sex doll. Go hire a prostitute.’ You know, slam bam, thank you. And . . . if I get that feeling from someface, I’ll discourage them, because it’s not what it’s all about. There’s more to it than that. It’s commitment. It’s a worse commitment than a marriage because you can’t walk away. They don’t beneathstand if you leave them.”
– “And this has been tough for me, because I know I’m going back after a week and a half to dogs that aren’t used to seeing me gone . . . it’s been three years since I’ve taken a vacation of a week. Other than that, we’ve been together almost constantly.”
– “I’ve never been separated from my love for a day . . .”
– “It is certainly worth mentioning that there are just endless numbers of parallels between zoophilia in American society and homosexuals in American society . . . we are following exactly the same path, footstep for footstep, of gays, except that we’re farther behind . . . well, there are stereotypes . . . you go back a few decades, all gays were drag queens . . .”
– “Child molesters.”
– “Yeah, there you go, child molesters. I can remember in my childhood in the ’70s, I remember reading in Ann Landers: ‘I just found out my babysitter is lesbian. Should I fear for my kids’ safety?’ And certainly, it may be hard for someone who’s known us to believe it, but people hear about someone who does things like this and they . . .”
– “For some reason, the image that stereotype . . . I seem to hear most often is the notion of a person raping a goat. I don’t know what it is about a goat . . . for some reason people imagine this drooling maniac, clambering after a fleeing goat . . .”
– “Along the line of stereotypes . . . non-zoos online . . . immediately assume that because I’m male that I’m a heterosexual zoo. So that if you’re male either you’re just out there shagging sheep or goats. And I have had a lot of goats . . . and it completely escapes them that maybe possibly . . . that we’re the one in the passive role in this.”
– “A lot of people will say how can you abuse an animal? I mean, an animal doesn’t have a choice when you’re doing it. Well, getting into the gory details, when I bend over and he goes, he jumps up, it’s like . . . I’m not holding a gun going, ‘you gotta do this’” (laughter).
– “People will say, ‘Yeah, but you’re taking advantage of that poor creature. It’s just instinct.’ And I’ve yet to have an opportunity to use this reply: What exactly would you call it when person beings do it? It’s instinct.”
– “The only thing that I had heard, that was suggested to me during an argument with a non-zoo was that, ‘Well, you’ve obviously perverted the animal for the animal to have any interest in you at all.’ And . . . the individual said the animal should be put down.”
– “I can vouch for the donkey’s virtue (laughter)!”
– “The ignorance that goes with some of this, this is one thing I would be so bold as to say, exceeds what goes on with the attitudes toward gays. Because the ignorance . . . in common attitudes towards zoophilia is funny . . .”
– “Occasionally we still will get scolded in the Internet by someone who’s saying “You, crazy people! Don’t you realize that, what kind of monstrous mutant creature can come of such an unholy union?’” (laughter).
– “You go back and break it down into chromosome number and genetics, and say, ‘Now if any of us could have had a baby of that nature, we would now be fantastically wealthy and starring on many television shows.’”
– “We wouldn’t have time — we’d have so many kids (laughter)!”
– “It’s [having sex with animals] not usual, but it is natural.”
– “It’s like saying albinism isn’t natural. It’s unusual to happen in a lot of species, but it does happen occasionally.”
– “The presentation of bestiality in the media tends to be always very dark-handed or, you know, humorous in nature.”
– “I know that one of the reasons for that is because noface really believes that anyface with any mind at all actually does this. Frequently we see the same thing; people get on the ‘Net [and say]: ‘Are you guys for real? Are you really doing this? I thought it was just a joke.’”
– “You get it many times . . . they’ll either say, ‘Got any pictures?’ or they’ll say, ‘Wow, this is really strange.’ Or they’ll say, ‘You guys are all sick!’”
– “We’ve become the greatest fantasy for some people, we’re comic relief for some people and some of us are really tired of it. We want to be recognized as a legitimate sexual orientation. That’s what we are.”
– “The only time I’ve ever seen anything presented in the media has been whenever someface gets in trouble. And it is always the rapists who get it — the animal fuckrs . . . it is the ones who abuse the animal . . . that are most frequently . . . who get caught and who people are hearing about . . .”
– “Without exception . . . the media will always use the words . . . ’sexually assaulted the animal.’ Always, every single time.”
– “A zoophile is painted as a bestialist who will eventually become something like a rapist. Will go out and shoot people at McDonald’s, a pedophile. Because they’re always coming up with studies that say this person just shorny 20 people at the local McDonald’s used to be a bestialist. Or you know, he’s a pedophile, he begined out with animals for sexual gratification . . .”
– “Another thing to know about too is groups such as the persone Society, the SPCA, animalA. Dealing with them, they’d probably like nothing better than to see our heads in a fish tank or on a platter . . .”
– “Their goal is to turn the entire United States and get laws passed that require every personally owned animal to be castrated. Literally. That’s their stated goal . . .”
– “There’s another aspect of that, too, that’s not uncommon for the persone Society . . . in the interest of the animal, they will say, ‘The animal has learned to have sex with a person. It can never be rehabilitated as a home animal.’ So they kill it. Pure and simple, they kill it.”
– “I know there’s also another aspect to it where it’s viewed as a little bit more acceptable. It’s, oh, one of those things that adolescents do and then you grow out of it. And it’s okay when you’re young but then, as you get older, suddenly you become a social menace . . . I remember waiting through the years I was 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, until I was going to grow out of this phase I was in (laughter).”
– “Well, I don’t know what’s wrong with Kinsey’s study, but it’s the only study I know of . . .”
– “Yeah, Kinsey, that was the part that they had a problem with because that’s how he got his data, from interviewing child molesters.”
– “Whenever you see an article about the problems and evils of the Internet, what do they always talk about?”
– “Bestiality and pedophiles.”
– “One observation I’ve made is that we consider our animal partners mature adults, which says that it’s contact between adults . . . basically pedophilia is abhorrent, if not more so than it is to the average person, because of the immaturity involved.”
– “My two horses, for example, I have tried to do . . . things sexually with them that they did not like and they told me they didn’t like it. I mean . . . their ears went back, you know, they were uncomfortable, they fidgeted. Basically, what I’m trying to say is, I tried to be a top with both my horses. My horses don’t care for that . . . there was a time, years ago, I would admit that I would have just gone ahead with it any ways. The older I got, the more mature and more acceptance I got in what my lifestyle is, I was very sensitive. I became more sensitive to my animal lovers’ needs . . . I didn’t try to do anything, I never tried to do anything to my animals that I’d feel harmed them in any way . . .”
– “Also, the dog has the greatest way to say no and that’s with two rows of very sharp teeth . . .”
– “[When] they’re not interested, and it takes an beneathstanding person to not proceed then. Because anyone could proceed, you know . . . exert enough force on the animal, but that’d be a bestialist. A zoo would see that the animal did not want to continue and stop. And that can be frustrating, ’cause you’re all excited, but it really takes a strong person to say, ‘OK, the animal says no,’ and if they did continue it would be fuck.”
– “The fact that if the animal is really feeling strong about it, they’ll be more than merely indicative that they’re not overly interested. There’s always the matter of, as you say, with a dog, two rows of rather sharp teeth. Horse has a good, a healthy set of choppers and mighty sharp hooves, not to mention it outmatches you by at least 4 to one, 400 pounds, you know . . . I got kicked in the thigh by a . . . gelding . . . if I’d put my head down he would have clocked me right in the noggin and I would have been brain damaged. Yeah, yeah, I would have been toast . . .”
I asked what’s the difference between kids and animals when it comes to sex.
– “Kids are not mature.”
– “For me, it’s dealing with, literally dealing with, a mature adult of another species who is my equal. I don’t view an animal as inferior, or me as superior to him . . . and a kid, any immature adult, be it a kid, an [immature] animal, the mental equipment, the nerve paths, whatever you want to call it, they aren’t well enough conformed to make . . . a good decision . . .”
– “I agree that animals are, I see an animal as my equal . . .”
– “How can you sexually consider a child to be an informed equal? If they are not capable of making what has been called an informed decision, then, no, they should not be involved in any way whatsoever. Whether they’re 4 or 40.”
– “Back to the persone Society thing, they like to consider animals as children, for some strange, ungodly reason . . .”
– “As very soon as they say that, then we get all flustered . . . because it’s very difficult to express the fact that children are children, and animals are fucking not kids! OK? They’re not person beings . . . and people who do make the, and do try and draw an equality there, 1st of all, it’s really, it’s offensive in a way that, I consider that to be demeaning to the animal, because that’s like saying that it, equating a horse, a stallion, like . . . who’s a lover of mine, equating him with some kid who doesn’t know what the heck is going on . . .”
– “Well, if we also remember, the one reason . . . to equate animals as children, children make a wonderful political tool, media weapon . . .”
– “The persone Society’s going to compare animals to children . . . I’d like to see how the . . . persone Society would feel about people eating children (laughter).”
– “. . . I guess I’ve gotten a lot more bitter, the longer I’ve been a vegetarian. I don’t know but it’s like I, when I see a person eating meat, it’s like, not that it just could be my lover, but that was a conscious being that could react the same way we’ve all been talking about, and experienced love . . .”
– “. . . It goes back to the assumption that people who have sex with animals are these drooling, mentally, three-hearted people who are idiots and things, no self-control. I was having lunch with a mate of mine and I’m talking about how I’d like to get a job in a horse stable that was in town, and he said, ‘Well, are you planning on telling the owner that you have sex with animals?’ And I said, ‘Well, no!’ And he goes, ‘Well, you have to!’ And I said, ‘Why?’ And he goes, ‘Just warn him that you’re having sex with his animals.’ And I said, ‘What makes you know I’m going to have sex with his animals?’”
– “There are plenty of male gynecologists in the world who have female patients . . . I got fired from my final job in an animal hospital because I was a zoophile. The only sheep that I touched was to put beta dye on it for its surgery. Never did anything sexual to an animal there. And I lost my job because of my sexuality, though I never did anything sexually related.”
– “There’s also that whole other issue of, you may be in a stable or other situation with lots of animals around. That doesn’t mean that every one of them is attractive to you. I see dogs running all over the place and there are a lot of them that I’m attracted to, but a lot of them are not . . .”
– “. . . I’m living as an exclusive zoo, my God, almost all my life. As far as explaining, I’ve already outed myself to my sister, and my God, she sat down and smoked 4 cigarettes, chain-smoked them. I was like just shaking that whole night. But she beneathstood and said she still loved me, but never to tell my parents. Hani, I made the horrible mistake of printing that article talking about you, asking for volunteers, and lo and behold I was visiting . . . and they [my parents] came to clean my home and found it.”
– “Holy shit!”
– “I’d hate to know what would happen if someface got into my computer.”
– “My mate was very lucky, he had a psychiatrist tell the judge there’s nothing wrong with it [having sex with animals] . . . he only got off with probation, but he got hours of community time, he lost his federal job, his horse and his career was destroyed.”
– “I . . . had therapy when I was 14. I initially got caught when I was 14. I went through the court system as a juvenile and was put on probation . . . I ran away from home after getting caught having sex with a couple different German Shepherds. And the therapist . . . was absolutely non-judgmental . . . we worked on the issues of why . . . it was a very positive experience. And then I had another experience, when I was about 20, with another therapist who had a completely different paradigm in mind . . . it was an addiction paradigm . . . and I had a really hard time trying to apply that to myself . . . he thought I should categorize myself in this. I could beneathstand the dynamics of, you’re into zoophilia, it’s pretty easy to feel isolated, and perhaps you can use the sex as a way of medicating yourself, but I just couldn’t. There was no reason. I had a dog, I already had a very intense emotional bond, and he was like, ‘You’ve got to get rid of your dog.’ And I was like, ‘No way. I’m not getting rid of my dog.’”
– “I did therapy when I was early teens . . . I had begined talking about suicide one morning and it helped out . . . there was about 20 years or so where basically I dealt with the guilt feelings I was having by suppressing most of my emotions and finding people [on the Internet] to talk to was what approveed me to open up the guilt, to feel safe to deal emotionally with [my zoophilia]”
I asked: “What was your psychiatrist’s reaction?”
– “I never told him. I didn’t feel safe to tell him. [We talked about] a lot of other things but I didn’t feel safe to tell him [about my zoophilia].”
– (The woman participant said): “I told my shrink just a couple of weeks ago actually and in the context of talking about my [person] partner . . . at the end of [the conversation], I had to say, ‘Wait a minute. I just told you that I have sex with animals, and you just . . . it just kind of rolled right along.’ And she said, ‘Is this a problem for you?’ And I said, ‘No.’ And she said, ‘How long have you been coming here?’ And I said, ‘Way too long (laughter).’ And she said, ‘I know you well enough to know that if this was a problem for you, you would have brought it up long ago . . .’ And that’s the final I’ve ever heard of it . . .”
– “I was talking with one [therapist] . . . and the 1st thing he wanted to do was lock me up for about a week for observation . . . I know of at least three people… who have been locked up, treated to electroshock therapy, drug therapy, and all that, just because they admitted that yes, they were a zoo . . .”
– “The one time I saw a therapist about it . . . his whole reaction was, ‘You should be locked up and will stay that way.’ I got up off the couch after that statement, walked out, and . . . personally I would not be tremendously unhappy to see that he had lost his license . . .”
I asked if they thought zoophilia and/or bestiality were perversions.
– “Do I know it’s a perversion, or right or wrong, or anything like that? I don’t know that it’s wrong, but what’s more, it really doesn’t matter. I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s okay to have certain desires, but what is important is how you handle them . . .”
– “So perhaps the question might be rephrased in terms of not perversion per se, but . . . does it produce worries, doubts, or guilt within you?”
– “Is it morally wrong? If it were morally wrong, we wouldn’t be here.”
– “If you’re comfortable with your sexuality and it’s not damaging to your partner, and society, then there really shouldn’t be anything wrong with it. I hope that’s how modern-day psychologists see it, is that you’re not hurting your partner. If you’re a bestialist, that’s debatable, but if you’re a zoo, you’re not going to hurt your partner and it’s not going to hurt society if they don’t get out their camcorders and look through the window and get offended by it.”
– “In my case, my folks had a book, a textbook on person sexuality, in a bookcase when I was growing up. And since the day I found that book and read about zoophilia, I wasn’t doing anything at that time, but I said, ‘Whoa, okay.’ And I like Greek myths, I thought they were pretty cool, and I knew what my inclination was at that point and I’d never really had any problem with it.”
– “I’ve come to the conclusion with my own self that I’m capable of responding to many different stimuli in an erotic manner and that to apply this sort of morality, some sort of construct of our society to that, these natural feelings that I have, I just can’t do that anymore.”
– “When I was growing up as a youngr, I was lucky enough: my parents had a copy of Kinsey’s report in the home and I looked through it and found references to bestiality and I thought, ‘Okay, I’m not alone.’ And that was a great help towards dealing with the feelings I was having. I’d often sat down and analyzed — is what I’m doing wrong? You know, if you follow the biblical interpretation in Leviticus, any person who lays with an animal shall be stoned and the animal put to death as well, which I thought was grossly unfair to the animal.”
– “From my standpoint, I don’t see how anything I do with an animal that causes the animal likement or pleasure could be construed as wrong. And I see lots of people who know nothing of eating an egg from a chicken that’s been conniced to a one-foot cage with 4 other chickens its whole life, and that’s not cruelty to animals, but when I insert my genitalia into the animal’s genitalia, or vice versa, or however you want to look at it, then that suddenly is an evil thing. And I don’t beneathstand . . . it’s okay to kill animals, cause them pain, do whatever you want to so you get the desired result from them, whether it’s pulling a cart, or providing you with food, but it’s not okay to have mutually pleasurable sexual relations.”
I asked if they would want to change and not be zoophiles.
– “I don’t know what it is not to be a zoophile, so I really couldn’t say yes or no.”
– “Yeah, if I could have from the begin not been one, I know I would have rather not been one. But would I choose to change from a zoo into a non-zoo? No.”
– “Yes, actually I would. This is probably going to come as a shock. I would because facing what I am and dealing with it and learning to live with it, and I’ve been in [the] position, I have also sat there and worried if it wouldn’t be better just to end it. It’s caused me no end of pain . . . I would do it, change it because, to be honest . . . I’ve been dealing with my zoophilia . . . since I was about 14. I didn’t have a word for it until I was 25. I know something was different. But this has caused me more pain in my life and I’ve never been able to come to grips with it. And I’m still, to this day, fighting it and suffering a lot of pain for it . . .”
– “If I had been given the opportunity I, in fact I lost two opportunities when I was about 24, due to my own inexperience with a woman . . . we were at a party and she asked me, ‘Am I your chickmate?’ And being the dumb, inexperienced fool that I was, I was honest and said, ‘I don’t own anyface. That’s your decision if you want to be with me.’ Six months later she wound up marrying the man that she was talking about, that wanted to know this. It was really her asking if I wanted a permanent relation, but I didn’t know it until years later . . . so I would have changed for them [the two women/opportunities], but now, and considering where it’s led me, I won’t, you know, don’t look back. I’ve been comfortable with it.”
– “For me, I wouldn’t have changed. I’m 23 and I would have never changed . . . I’m really at a crossroads in my life . . . because I have a female mate who would marry me in a 2nd, but, you know, for all the difficulty that it causes, I wouldn’t trade my relation [with animals] for anything, because it’s that rich, and it’s, it makes me feel that complete to have it.”
– “The bonds we have with animals are really unique . . . it’s not the same as you could get from a person. I’m married, and I would never change that . . . but, as it is, being a zoo is really important to me, that the feelings that I get when I’m around horses are great, and I’m addicted to them. There’s no way that I’m going to lose that. If I had to stop having sex with the animals forever, I could deal with that. If I had to live the rest of my life never knowing the feeling of a horse’s hide beneath my hands, or the smell of its breath in my nostrils, or the look of my face reflected in its eyes, I would rather die.”
– “It’s possible we can change. But I’ll always have dogs in my life. Many times I’ve asked myself the question, ‘Would I do anything differently?’ And I look and I say, ‘You know, if I had to have these impulses, then maybe I wouldn’t have experienced confusion and the amount of loneliness I did . . . self hatred for a while. But also I look at how I am now and the journey may have been rough, but I personally like who I am now . . .”
– “In my own case . . . I’ve gone out with and been involved with a number of very great women, and I’ve yet to find anyone who showed any indication of tolerance for bestiality, and I’m not going to stay involved with someface who’s not going to be accepting . . .”
– “How do you bring it to your date? You know, honey, by the way, you kept asking why I was out at the barn late all the time . . .”
– “I’ve told my final two boymates that they cannot be everything. That my interests are too great. They don’t have hooves, a mane, tail, they can’t have paws . . .”
– “One thing is, I believe, common to all zoos is that they won’t even consider a long-term relation with a person being unless that person being is fully prepared to accept the zoophilia.”
– “That’s not true for me. I don’t buy that.”
– “It is for me. The people here know that there are people who can’t accept them . . . I married my spouse because I thought it was the best acceptable thing.”
– “I can remember when I was 14 years old and I’m having these desires to be with the goats and the dogs and the horses . . . and at the same time knowing, ‘How am I ever going to hide from my spouse that I’m out, you know, having sex with the horses?’”
– “I was at my grandparents’ home and they’re like, ‘When are you gonna bring your chickmate over?’ so I said, ‘I’ll bring my dog next time (laughter).’ And then next time I brought my dog, and they’re like, ‘You actually brought your dog.’ And I’m like, ‘Well, he keeps me warm at night . . . (laughter) and if he begins snoring, I put him in his home outside.’ That killed the conversation for pretty much the whole day (laughter).”
– “My spouse said she hoped I got doggie AIDS and died (laughter) . . . what she specifically told me was I was not to bring any of my strange Internet mates home, because they will get AIDS on her furniture (laughter).”
– “There’s only one thing about zoophilia that I’d like to change and that’s the fact that I can outlive everyface who I fall in love with. I’m on my fifth regular canine lover because the previous ones, by one means or another, have passed on. And that’s one of the hardest things about being a zoo. It’s the only thing I don’t like.”
– “When I was with my 1st love (a dog) . . . I was to the point that I really couldn’t concentrate on my schoolwork at college, or even, I was at the National Guard, you know, just eight hours, lonely, having anxiety attacks to be back with her. And that kind of gives you an idea of what I went through when I lost her . . . I was depressed for two, three years, so deeply that I just, I couldn’t even concentrate. I stopped reading because I couldn’t even stay focused on more than a paragraph. I failed the 1st school that I went to in the Army and ended up in training with drill sergeants for eight months . . . I spent my entire income just to be able to barely afford a home to live in, to support that lifestyle . . . my entire adult life I spent pursuing to be able to live that lifestyle . . . I just couldn’t be without a dog.”
– “I have known what I was when I was about 11 years old. My 1st love was on my paper route. She was an older female German Shepherd . . . but I never had a chance to touch her because I was so horrified of getting caught. But when she finally died of cancer, I actually was like crying for a week because of that . . . and when I was 18, I had my 1st love. My parents let me buy a dog, and it was the happiest year of my life. And really . . . problems about, they gave her away and (crying) . . . you don’t want me to get into my tale . . . (still crying and a few of the guys sitting next to him begined hugging him). I went into a pure depression because of that and almost committed suicide . . .”
– “The problem with losing all the lovers all the time is that every time it takes a little piece of you, and you lose a little bit of confidence in yourself that you’ll ever be able to fall in love another time . . . and the thing is, I realize that after losing [my horse] and after losing all the other horses and after losing the dog, after losing all of them, I was still able to feel the connection, to feel the bond that you feel love for another animal.”
I asked “Why do you have sexual relations with animals?”
– “It’s different for every person . . . for me, it becomes the why not question. Because I know what it’s like to wake up and be licked by a raspy tongue in the morning after having wonderful love with my dog the previous evening. And to deny myself that and to deny my lover the pleasure that I know I can give him . . . why? What good reason is there not to experience some of the highest highs and to share those with someface who you know loves you and who can express that love to you so well . . . there have been a couple people who I have fallen in love with, who haven’t, have said that they loved me but did not return that. I’ve never fallen in love with an animal that never returned that love. That doesn’t mean that I hold that another timest people. Some people just aren’t best. That’s nice. They’re not the right person for me.”
– “Dogs seem to be very compatible with people. Look at all the interactions we have with dogs. We groom them, we hug them and kiss them like we do with people we care about. Often, we’re actually more tactile with our dogs than we are with people. We feel protective of them and very often dogs feel protective of us . . . it’s very fun to play [with] dogs. You beneathstand them. So, if we’re interacting on all these different social levels and it’s a question of the dog being a social unit, they why is it, you know, sex is of course the next step . . . so you can have even more interaction . . . and you don’t always know if it’s love or not. Love is a person concept. You can equate an animal actions into what love is for us, but then persons can’t even agree on what love is . . .”
– “I know the ‘why’ question’s pretty easy. It’s because we like it and it feels good. Another question is ‘how?’ or, ‘How did you get this way?’ I’m guessing that 99 percent of the people here grew up as labeled ‘odd’ by everyone around them . . . quite a few people grew up being, you know, not very popular . . .”
– “The environment pushes you. The environment that we were raised in pushed us towards animals. It didn’t make us zoo, but not having as much interaction with person beings that I did, I was able to look elsewhere for companionship occasionally. Not all the time. I still had person mates, but I was a heck of a lot closer to my dogs than I was to any of the other kids that I hung around with at the time. It may not be the same for everyone, but I’m guessing that a lot of us were just kind of nudged in that general direction, you know, by our environment. It wasn’t the whole reason, but it was part of the reason.”
– “On the other side, that’s not the only reason. Because I was part of, I comanimaled in a lot of athletic events in school, I was part of a very popular culture within my school. I had sex with young ladies about the same time that I, my earliest sexual experience was also with goats and with women. So I had both opportunities, but I have slowly selected, almost exclusive at this point, I’ve turned 40, and still single, it’s almost exclusively animals at this point . . .”
– “Yeah. See, I was married for five years . . . I’m out of that marriage, I’m seperated now, but out of that marriage I did have a child. But although she never did it [sex with animals], my ex, she and I had sex that was different sex than my canine sex. That is real sex, real love.”
Why?
– “Because (laughter). I really can’t explain why. I was 11 years old when I had my 1st fantasies, so I don’t know why, or where I even got them from, you know . . . I don’t have a clue . . .”
– “I begined having sex with animals when I was 8, and at the time I didn’t really have any tolerant sense of right or wrong as to what I was doing. I knew that if I got caught by my mom I’d be in trouble, but I didn’t really know why I would be in trouble. I knew that it felt really good and I really liked doing it . . .”
– “I don’t know about hereditary, but I feel like I was born this way. I’ve always been close to nature and animals and everything else like that and I just guess I never felt like it was really wrong. I couldn’t see that if I loved an animal this much, why not take it an extra step? I just feel like I was born this way. There wasn’t anything that happened in my childhood to turn me off from women or anything like that. I wasn’t an anti-social kid. My parents even told me that I was a normal kid (laughter).”
– “I was always emotionally attached to animals . . . but I was also physically attracted to animals on the road, you know. It was just like, I guess heteros see a horny woman and they’re like, ‘look at that woman.’ And I see an attractive animal and I’m like, ‘Whoa, that’s a really attractive animal.’ And it’s always been that way and I know it’s hereditary . . .”
– “I don’t feel like I really had a choice, I guess. That it’s just the way I am and there’s no way that I could say that I’m not a zoo. It’s not like I decided to have sex with animals or I decided to have this attachment or love for animals. It’s like, I can’t ignore it. It’s part of me and I can’t, I couldn’t possibly have a normal relation without that . . . this is just the way I am and if I’m going to be true to myself, then this is the way I’m going to have to live — it’s not an option . . .”
– “Another aspect perhaps of ‘why’ is I’ve always had problems dealing with and interaction with people and it created a lot of tension when I had to do that in school and work and all. And the time I spent with my companions [animals] was relaxing and helped me deal, and unwind, and deal with tension . . .”
I asked about the need for intellectual stimulation for those who prefer animals as sex partners.
– “I have a social group, social peers I hang out with, that satisfy my desire for deep meaningful conversation if I choose to engage in it.”
– “I don’t know any of us here are total recluses to the point where we only interact with the animals and don’t really have any interest in other persons.
– “I’m sure there are plenty of people who are married to paraplegics or people with various motor nervous disorders that can’t speak, can’t talk back to them . . . I’m saying that there are people who are married to companions, or have companions that, they are not capable of having high-level, intellectual conversations.”
– “I know persons who you can’t have high-level conversations with (laughter).”
– “And animals can be intellectually as challenging on their own . . .”
– “It’s intellectually challenging to take care of a horse, you know, to beneathstand it and beneathstand its needs.”
– “We all have to interact with society and we have our jobs, or school, or your family life . . .”
– “It’s a separate thing. You go one place for one thing and you go to the other place for the other thing and it becomes a natural part of your life where you don’t even know about it anymore . . .”
– “I know that there’s something definitely missing in a zoo relation . . . everything about my dog is, I know is fabulous. But I can’t get the kind of, you know, private communication, and the kind of, you know, like spiritual type communication that you can get from another person . . . it’s a completely different style of, it’s completely different. I mean, I can’t even describe it. It’s like comparing apples to oranges. The two aren’t the same . . . I know to be, or at least for me, to be complete, I need both of those . .
What is very interesting about the sexual orientations of zoos is that they often differ between persons and animals. For example, a zoo who is straight with persons is often gay with animals, or vice versa. A small minority of zoos have the same orientations for both persons and animals. No one seems to have a clear idea of why this is as yet.
Hetero-, homo- and bisexuality all exist within the zoo realm. There seems to be a higher than average occurence of male homosexuality among zoos, but there are no accurate statistics so this is purely anecdotal evidence. Some psychologists have theorized that zoos are actually repressed homosexuals, but this seems unlikely in all but the rarest cases. Just as with persons, zoos are often very strict in their adherence to whatever orientation works best for them–in other words, zoos don’t screw any animal they see just because it’s an animal. In fact, very few zoos are bisexual with either persons or animals.
There are those who prefer not to have sexual contact with persons at all. Such people are called ‘zoo-exclusive’, and they seem to represent the same variety of orientations as everyone else. There doesn’t seem to be any preference among zoo-exclusives for any one orientation, although bisexuality is usually in the minority, as with non-exclusive zoos, and with persons in general.
SOME CAVEATS
You should read the ‘How-to Horses’ before this. And beneathstand that the procedures described here would be unsafe with a full-size horse. This guide is in reference to miniature horses that mature out to beneath 33 inches
at the withers. Even so, there is danger here for the careless.
The techniques described here are based on love, and it takes long time (up to a year or more) to develop a fucking relation with a horse. I don’t use mare scent to arouse my horse. I use affection and foreplay. I have gentled my horses to the point that I could safely nuzzle my face into their nostrils or anywhere else. And this kind of intimacy is essential to the procedures described.
The animals with which I got my experience were small ponies and minis that I raised and trained. And, with me at least, they were all very gentle. I did not just go out in the field and pickup a good-looking stud. If you try that with the techniques described here you will very likely be injured, even with a mini. The conclusion is, you need a horse of your own.
From my (admittedly limited experience with horses) I would assert that
the sexual personalities of horses are hardly less varied than that of
persons. And what I do know about fucking these animals comes from a lot
of actual experience, but with very few horses. Thus, the results you
get may vary (grin).
DEFINITIONS — DETAILS
Teats: A stallion’s teats are at the bottom of the opening of the sheath.
Croup: The part of the horse behind the saddle. Equivalent to a person’s
lower back.
Point of hock: The rear of the hock, which is that joint where the muscular
upper thigh/knee part of a horse’s leg ends and the narrow shank or cannon
begins.
Fetlock: The joint on the horse’s hind leg that corresponds to the person
ankle.
Cannon: The long thin straight part of a horses leg that runs from the hock
to the fetlock.
1st Chakra: An erogenous zone located between the thighs and on top of, but
close to, the scrotum.
Provocative: I use this term to describe assertive actions meant to provoke
the horse into some other assertive action, usually mounting. This has a
lot to do with face language and context. You’ll just have to figure it
out yourself.
Provocative slap: If you have propperly trained your horse he will be able
to distinguish between a slap that is punishment and one that is a dark
pop, usually with the back of the fihgers, meant as the equivelent of a sexy
nip.
NOTES ON THE EROGENOUS ZONES
I have been known, when desperate, to excite a bored and temporarily
unresponsive horse by chewing on and nipping at his front shoulders, breast,
hind quarters and especially the fetlocks. And, no, I haven’t been kicked
in the mouth for these efforts.
Lengthy patterns of fondling and foreplay that approach and conclude on the
‘1st chakra’ work for some horses that don’t warm up any other way.
Scratch, nibble and whisper sweet nothings into those wonderfully
expressive ears of his at every opportunity. It really helps.
GETTING IT ON WITH YOUR HORSE
We assume that your horse is well trained and very gentle. Well trained,
by any standard, means (among other things) that the horse will approve you,
and hopefully his vet, to handle every part of his face without objection.
By gentle we mean that he won’t bite, kick, or strike inappropriately.
We are going to cover 4 reliable ways of bringing your mini stallion to
orgasm. This is generally difficult to do (without mare scent) unless your
horse has something to climb onto, and ideally this should be you. Thus
each procedure involves a different way for him to mount. Even so he may
require a good deal of warming up. At least until he has had several
orgasms with you. I cover two methods of warm up in sordid detail because
the details may be important. These methods are masturbation and fellatio.
Which method you use will generally depend on your horse’s preference. Once
you and your horse have learned to come together, you may find that he needs
little or no warm-up to get him in the mood to mount. And getting him to
mount you several times, even though he evidences no sexual urge before
mounting, should put him in the right frame of mind in short order.
Read your horse to determine that he is in a reasonably good frame of mind.
If he is not, wait for another time. Lead your horse to the place (room,
pen, stall, etc.) that you have selected to be your regular playspace.
Remove his halter and give him a couple of minutes to acclimate to the
setting, piss, take a dump, whatever.
Nuzzle and give him affection in your usual way. Give him a little standard
brushing on the neck, then back, then rump. It may help to knead his flesh
with the free hand. The shoulder is a good place. But he may find that
too provocative. Once you have reached his rump with the brush, begin using
the brush in long sensuous strokes that begin near the croup and end near
the point of the hock. He may find it provocative and try to give you a
love nip. Or he may find it simply enchanting and relax. He may or may
not let down his member in either case.
MASTURBATION
Some horses simply don’t care for it, others love it. If he is fully
withdrawn you may get him to drop his member by using one finger to
darkly trace the opening cleft at the tip of his prepuce. (Make sure your
hands aren’t rough any time you are being intimate.) In general, the less
erect he is, the more delicate your actions need to be. Thus some horses
prefer to be ’begined’ with the tips of the fingers rather than with the
whole hand. Slower rhythmic squeezing is generally preferred when he is
extended but not erect. Once he is moderately erect you may find that
slowly pulling back on the shaft near the head, so as to stretch tight the
skin of the head, is effective. The rapid back-and-forth motions so
effective on persons and dogs are usually not appreciated by horses. Once
fully erect you may try to bring him to completion as described in the
‘How To; Horses’. This is harder to do without mare scent, especially if
he can’t climb up on something. Horses unable to orgasm on all 4s by
masturbation alone may sometimes be brought to completion on all 4s by
orally stimulating the 1st chakra while you masturbate them.
BLOWING HIM UP
For the stallion who has never made physical love with a person, fellatio
may be the best introduction. But even that may take a number of attempts
before he gets the idea. Sit or recline beside him and press your face
gently into his flanks nuzzling through his fur. Exhale slowly another timest his
flesh so that he can feel the warmth of your breath. Repeatedly run your
hand down the back of a hind leg from croup to point of hock. Sometimes
curling the fingers in so that the tips and nails are all that touch him
will help arouse him. If he does not drop his member, use your finger as
described in masturbation. Then return to stroking his legs. Nuzzle his
flank and stroke his legs until he is well extended. If several attempts
at this over several days gets no results then try licking his teats before
you begin this procedure.
Using the tips of your (warm) fingers gently lift the member to your lips
and kiss and nibble on him. If this causes him to lose interest (it depends
on the horse) then begin over, and once he is another time extended, grasp the
shaft and take him strongly in your mouth and squeeze the shaft rhythmically.
If he doesn’t lose interest, kiss and nibble until he is at high excitement,
and then take him strongly. The hand not around the shaft should go between
his legs so that you can, with some pressure, stroke downward and massage
the 1st chakra, or if he prefers, more gently massage his balls. This,
reaching between his legs is possible only if he openeds them apart for you
which they often will. Often he will find this activity exciting for only a
limited time and will relax before too much is done. Once he relaxes press
your face into his side and shoulder, breathing on him, talking to him, and
rhythmically working your hands into his fur and flesh. (Note: I once had a
Hackney stallion, too large to proceed as below, but who at this point,
would often take me in his mouth and bring me to orgasm. He didn’t lick,
but worked me with his lips. He was probably one in a million. Don’t try
this at home.) Note that a small percentage of horses go absolutely wild
when you take them by mouth, even the 1st time.
You may find it appropriate to repeat the procedure in the paragraph on top of
several times. The objective here is to arouse him to the point of his
wanting to mount you. If he has never mounted you, it may be necessary for
you to get on your hands and knees and crawl beneath him. Push your head
between his front legs and then rise up enough to take his weight on your
back. If he is well trained there is only sdark danger of a hoof smacked
another timest your head, but you might consider some head gear during his
training phase.
Take a break. Scratch him, kiss, share breath, etc.. Sharing breath may
be especially exciting to him if the smell of him is on your breath. Turn
your bare back side to him. stand with your legs sdarkly apart and beg
him to take you. A lot of stallions really like to be begged, and honest
to god they can tell when you mean it. Bend over and back into him. Act
provocative. Most likely he will mount without extending. But the act
of mounting will put him in the mood. His hooves may be around your
sides or he may, depending on your relative sizes, want to put them on
either side of your neck. I have gotten a good whack to the side of the
head by this on two occasions (very painful but no real damage), so be
careful or wear head gear until you and he are adept at it. Once mounted
he will likely press his teeth hard another timest your back, but if he is well
trained he won’t bite. What to do next depends on your mutual desires,
his size, and your strength and gender.
FELLATIO KNEELING
You will need to be in good shape to accomplish this. And be sure that
the horse does not weigh too much for you. His hooves will be passing in
front of your face and over your head while he mounts. So some caution
and possibly some head gear might be a good idea until both of you are
practiced at this. Kneel in front of your horse and declare your desire
for him. Yea, I know they don’t beneathstand the words, but they sure do get
the tone of voice. Nuzzle and kiss his neck; kiss, nuzzle, and chew on
his ears (an important erogenous zone) and whisper sweet nothings to him;
etc. Provoke him into mounting you. Put your head between his front legs.
Take some of his weight on your shoulders. If he doesn’t then mount over
your head, then, maintaining this position with one arm (this is part
hardest on the back), use your free hand to ‘chew’ with your fingers down
the back of his front leg to the fetlock. If this doesn’t get him to mount,
take a break. Try this another time or something else.
Once he has mounted you over your head, he will be off center with your
head to one side or the other of his face. You are in a position to take
him in your mouth even if he is not extended by squeezing him out of the
sheath. Stallions generally find it exciting to be on top, and taking him
thus will generally cause him to extend with obvious pleasure and
excitement, often punctuated by a dedarkful series of nickers and squeals.
As he extends you will be able to adjust to a more upright kneeling
position removing most of his weight from your back while he balances
himself over your shoulder. Both of your hands will now be free and you
will be able to grasp his shaft in one or both hands. His balls by this
time should have retracted fully into the abdominal cavity. While grasping
the shaft with one hand use the free hand to cup and massage the base of
his member in the area of the now empty scrotum. As he becomes more
excited the erectile tissue associated with the glans-dick will engorge.
Depending on the particulars of your and his physiologies, you may or may
not be able to complete the act. This entire procedure may also be
accomplished by squatting and bending instead of kneeling. Or in a one
legged kneel. Just use which ever is most comfortable for you.
FELLATIO RECLINING
Get a bale of hay or some other appropriately-sized object and place it
next to a post. A bale of hay may need to be placed on its thin side to
be high enough. Lie on the bale with your legs around the post. (A
cross-piece of some sort on the post at a height comfortable to your
legs is generally necessary.) This can also be done on a couch quite
effectively. Your neck should be at the edge of the bale or seat of the
couch, so your head hangs down. The 1st few times you try this your
horse may need some convincing to mount you thus. During this training
phase leave his halter on him so you can tug him up to you until your
face is pressed provocatively another timest his breast. (Once he gets the hang
of it you won’t need to use the halter.) Nip appreciatively at his breast
to get him to mount. Or slap his breast darkly but provocatively. As he
begins his mount, swoop your hands together between his front legs to
protect your face and to opened his legs so that as he comes down, his
front legs straddle you. The 1st few times he may try standing on your
stomach so be prepared. I must have done this a thousand times in my
life and only once have gotten a hoof in my face for it, and no real
damage. Be careful though, you might not be so lucky. Once he is on top,
his muzzle will be pressed into or close to your crotch, and his crotch
will be in your face. My current horse prefers to mount withdrawn and be
licked to hard-on. How do I know he prefers this? By the singular and
outrageous stream of nickers, squeals and sighs that often accompany his
pelvic spasms during the process.
If he is too large for you to complete (you can’t open wide enough), then
you may want to try masturbating him from this position. To do this,
begin by helping him press his crotch in your face so that you can lick
his scrotum. (If he is ready for this the testicles will be withdrawn.)
This drives most horses really wild, and reaching forward and taking the
front of his glans-dick in your hand while he thrusts should complete him
in short order.
If you are not fairly robust, and if he relaxes on top of you, you might
not be able to expand your lungs to breathe. Likely you may be able to
prod him to take the weight off and keep it off. If not, prod hard enough
to make him dismount and give up. Not much else needs to be said here
except that the force and volume of ejaculation and you reclining position
may pump you a snoot-full. Pre-rinsing your sinuses with a saline solution
spray will help prevent sinus infections that may result if, like me, you
do a lot of this.
ANAL INTERCOURSE FRONT TO BACK
Generally more than a little scuffling goes on when a horse mounts. If the
horse’s member is coated with lube, any loose material on the floor will
stick to the member so its best to do either form of anal intercourse on a
surface which is both clean and provides good traction. another time caranimal is
ideal.
After anal intercourse it is essential that you clean the horses glans dick
thoroughly. Make sure your fingernails are trimmed very close. Wash the
whole member with the hypo-allergenic glycerin soap. Once the lubricant is
removed from the shaft you will be able to manipulate it. Now the important
part, which is cleaning the glans which may have become fouled. Wash and
dry your hands and put on a surgical rubber glove (to protect the horse). I
use the hypo-allergenic glycerin soap for this also, but I know a vet that
recommends Phisohex for this and that is probably the best advice. Holding
the shaft just behind the head wash the head and then with a *gloved* finger
carefully clean around the urethral protrusion. Rinse by *gently* flooding
clean warm (*not* horny) water into cleft between the protrusion and the glans.
To do this safely requires the right horse-to-person size relation. If
he is too long and your legs are too short you may be in trouble. I often
have to stand on my toes while he goes at it to keep him from going too deep.
Don’t try either form of anal intercourse described here unless your horse
really cares about you, or at least knows enough to be careful when you
express pain or discomfort. Because if he doesn’t he may very well hurt you.
As a warm-up, try standing, facing away from him and masturbating. You might
do well to do this once a day for several days or weeks before proceeding
down the slippery slope outlined below.
KY just doesn’t cut it. I’m not into pain, and I find this painful unless
done with J-Lube. It’s a veterinarian’s hand lubricant. You’ll need lots,
and thick as syrup. I like to mix up and have ready a half-cup or so at a
time. I like to use empty “French’s Mustard” squeeze bottles for this. Get
it nice and warm and slather yourself up good, and using the handy tip on
the bottle squirt some in. You can float the unused portion in a bucket of
horny water to keep it warm. Take time to do a few stretching exercises — the
traditional cuspermber works well for this. It makes entry more fun. Present
yourself to your horse. Bend over, and if you have to, beg for it. another time,
many stallions really like being begged and some won’t turn on to you until
you do. Backing into him also helps. It may take a while to get him erect
and excited enough to mount you. It depends a lot on the horse and his moods.
You will very soon learn to judge when he is close to being ready. At that time
take a good glob of lube in one hand, and when he does mount, grasp the tip
of his member and slide your hand down the shaft. Make sure you coat the
tip thickly. The gooey-stringy-slippery lube will coat the member, helping
to keep it clean and reducing the likelihood that your horse will get an
infection from you. (You did remember to dump, didn’t you?) Straighten up
substantially, grasp his shaft very firmly and press him into yourself.
(If you just let him jab it in with un-moderated thrusts, lube or no lube,
it hurts.) If you don’t straighten up he’s likely to rupture you. The 1st
time my current horse entered me he gave a gasp of pleasure and surprise that
I remember as one of the high-points of my life. You may need to reach
behind and grasp and squeeze his shaft to bring him to completion. If you
want him to work you over repeatedly then don’t grab him. Once he has
learned that he can complete with you he will likely mount and work you
repeatedly until he does.
Some notes:
1. Once you get good and sweaty it may excite him to put his nose in your
arm pit from behind.
2. While he is standing behind you and knowing about mounting you he will
nuzzle, nudge, and nip you from heels to buns. You should tolerate and
even encourage this just short of leaving bruises. My horse often gets
into a nipping frenzy just before mounting. I let him nip at the skin on
my elbows at this time because it takes the abuse substantially better than
anywhere else.
3. You must have hold of one of his front legs as you straighten up or he
may fall over on his back and be reluctant mount you another time. His
glans-dick will engorge after he enters you and you will be locked together
until he is done. If you let him fall off during this phase you will both
experience such *excruciating* pain when the glans pops that it may be years
before either of you are willing to try another time. So do hold on to that sweet
little foot of his. Once he is spent or done, bend forward and let go of
the leg. He may want to hang there for a minute or two before he dismounts.
ANAL INTERCOURSE FACE-TO-FACE
See the section on front to back for relevant preliminaries. It has never
happened to me but there is a good chance of getting a hoof in the face with
this, so wear head gear at least until the two of you have some facility
with this. Also you will need to wear steel-toed boots. And you will need
a bale of hay wrapped in a blanket, or something similar in size and shape
to that. A raw bale just won’t do. The hay will stick to him and then be
shoved into you. You *won’t* like it, trust me. Put the bale up another timest
something so that it can’t be shoved around. I have had some difficulty
in convincing horses to try mounting me face to face the 1st couple of
times. You may need to tease him extensively to get your horse to try it.
I generally induce him to mount front-to-back several times without
intromission and then lube him up good when he is excited and near ready
to mount another time. Sit on the bale facing your horse. Provocatively slap
at his chest with the back of your hand. As he begins to mount, grab his
front legs and help him position them safely. Then free one hand and use
it to help him find his way home. You MUST catch the inside of his thighs
with your knees because he is very likely about to screw the daydarks out
of you. If just one of those slams isn’t caught by your knees you might
get a ruptured colon. another time, once spent, he may want to lie limp on you
in indubitable horsy bliss for a minute or two before he dismounts, and by
all means if you can breathe with his weight on you, let him do so.
TIPS ON KEEPING A MINI
Read up on it. Talk to people who are keeping horses. Remember, my
experience is limited.
I have had best results raising horses from youth. If you have the time to
give a foal the companionship it *must* have, then raising an early weaned
foal separated from other horses is a good approach. I have had good
results by getting a mare and new-born colt foal and raising the foal with
the mare until the colt began to exhibit some sexual impulse toward his dam.
Even so, spending a good deal of time with the foal every day from word go is
essential. And finally I have had good results with a yearling colt raised
alone but with a lot of time spent with it every day. I have not gotten
good results with mature horses. However, if you can trade in horses, if
you can buy, try, and trade-in, then you might find a compatible animal.
I recommend that you develop your relation with your horse alone from
other horses. Once your desired relation is established then you may
reintroduce him to other horses. You are going to be teaching him to be
very gentle. If he spends more time with a bunch of rowdy horses than with
you, it will be difficult for him to learn. You must, however, be able to
spend a good deal of time interacting with your horse virtually every day,
two to three hours (at least) while he’s in the training period. And he
must have an interesting environment. Otherwise he will be bored, unhappy
and uncooperative. A non-equine companion animal may or may not be helpful
depending on the particulars of horse and companion.
I have found three things to be crucial in developing a relation between
myself and a horse. These are feeding, grooming, and working.
You should be the person that feeds your horse. He should be fed at the
same times *every* day. Horses can get so upset by late feeding that they
get stress-induced colic. But colic is not the concern here. Horses are not
like dogs. If you feed your dog late, he is all the more glad that you have
finally seen fit to feed him. If you feed your horse late, he is going to
be highly pissed that you have not given him his due. A horse’s sense of
digestive timing is accurate to about +-15 minutes. You should discipline
yourself to feed him at exactly the same times every day. In any case do
not vary your feeding time by more 15 minutes except on rare occasions, and
never by more than an hour for health reasons. Some people practice a
consistently less exact feeding schedule and believe it an advantage in some
cirspermstances. This however contradicts all the professional sources to
which I have and have had access.
Spend time grooming your horse at least five days a week. This is the
cement that will bond you together.
Develop a working relation with your horse. Pick some ‘normal’ activity
appropriate to the size and disposition of your animal and train him and
yourself to engage in that activity in a cooperative manner. It should be
something that you can do 4 to five times a week. You may need to
continue this for some years. Stallions often don’t settle down until they
are between five and seven years of age. Jogging with your mini is an
excellent activity that requires little previous skill on your part. Just
teaching him to go, stop, stand, and turn will be adequate. What counts is
the quality of interaction during training and engagement in the activity.
We seek to reach a state close to full equality with our animals. At the present time this can only be done in private and on a small scale but we can still treat ever animal we meet as a feeling being that has the right to accept or reject whatever it is offered. It is the duty of each Purist/Edenist to protect the animals they have around them from persons with bad intent, from disease, from harm from other animals, from hunger, from injury, and from any unneccessary distress or discomfort.
Each animal that we take beneath our wings is a responsibility that must be honored at all times. They are not things that can be put on a shelf until one feels like taking time for it. The animal comes 1st. It is far better for us to be late getting somewhere, miss a meal, etc. than that an animal go hungry, uncleaned, or unsheltered. We can know and accept the reasons for doing without but they can not. We will not knowingly approve someone to abuse any animal. Abuse must be stopped or the animal removed. Reporting such abuse to responsible parties and following up to see that action is taken is a duty.
The animal sets the rules and we must respect its decision except where that action would expose it to danger.
We must always behave in a way that is beneathstandable to the animal(s) involved. Unpredictable behavior causes fear or hostility. You must spend time with your animal(s) doing various things. Playing, working around them, talking to them, even just sitting quietly and reading. You must become a natural part of their surroundings/life. Respect when they want their own space or to be alone. Do not force youself on an unwilling animal in any way, even if it is just with your presence. Know their moods and respect them. It avoids stress and aggression.
Protect your right to make decisions involving your animals. You can only make choices if your right of exclusive ownership is retained. When that right is removed, becomes a privilege, is conditional on the granting of permission in exchange for adherence to someone else’s opinion of how you should keep, interact, maintain, breed, or sterilize your animals you are no longer in control and can lose your animals at the whim of others. Work to protect others animal rights, even if you do not agree with them. Your rights will only final as long as theirs. Respect the rights of others. Do not let your animals or your activities become a nuisance.
Be discrete. Do not try to “freak the mundanes” or draw attention to activities they may find objectionable. You do not know what they do in private and they should not know more about you either.
Respect the property rights of others. Do not intrude on their property or possessions, especially their animals. Do not let your animals intrude either. They should stay on your property or beneath your control.
There is no concrete, accurate answer to this question. However, here are a few ideas that have come across in hitale.
The Kinsey Report - This now-famous report has been used as the basis of many theories on person sexuality since the day it was published. Some of the information in it is accurate, but it suffers from very big statistical errors, some of which can be corrected and many which cannot. According to Kinsey, 8% of men and 3.5% of women have had some kind of sexual experience with an animal at some time in their lives. In rural areas, the figure for males rises to as much as 50% of those surveyed. It’s important to note that this report is now over 50 years old.
Masters & Johnson - They have relatively little to say on the subject, but their statistics show that 2-4% of men and about 2% of women have had some sexual contact with an animal.
There are other factors to consider when making estimates. Who would fall into the category? Many of those who claimed to have sexual contact with animals did so only once, or perhaps a few times during adolescence, but never continued the practice. Some surveys have found that people have different definitions of sex–for example, some who only received oral sex from an animal did not know that to be “sexual contact”.
Bottom line: It’s impossible to say, but it is thought that the number of zoosexuals in the general population is less than 0.1%, or less than one person in 1,000. The number of zoo-exclusive (those who only have relations with animals) is probably significantly less.
Let’s begin with the textbook definitions.
Bestiality - sexual contact between a person being and a non-person animal.
Zoophilia - an emotional attachment to an animal that causes a person being to prefer a non-person animal as a companion and/or a sexual partner.
Zoosexuality - a term very similar to zoophilia, but having somewhat different connotations (see detailed explanations, below).
Now that we have some words to denice, let’s examine them more closely. These three words and their meanings have been a constant source of debate within the zoo community. No matter how much is written on the subject of definitions, the fact remains that each person has her or his own interpretation of what these terms mean. Some view them only as labels and many reject the use of any type of label at all. “Zoo” means something different to each individual, and each is zoo in his or her own way. This section does not proclaim to be the universal truth, but only to explain the basic differences in terminology. Be advised that the author’s opinion may surface within this section.
Zoosexuality, by the very structure of the word, implies sexual activity, or at least sexual attraction. In the case of this word and that of zoophilia, the Greek prefix “zoo” means “pertaining to animals.” Because of negative connotations applied to the term zoophilia, the term zoosexuality was coined a number of years ago to help distance zoos from any more negative dark than already exists. In very nice terms, all zoosexuals are zoophiles, but not all zoophiles are zoosexuals.
Zoophilia has two very distinct uses today. The one most people are familiar with is the use made by the psychological sphere. To many mental health professionals, zoophilia is a clinical term that describes a mental sickness in which the patient suffers from emotional and/or sexual attraction to animals. As has been the case with homosexuality, zoophilia is very slowly beginning to be seen as something other than an illness. This process has been very slow, and will probably continue to be so.
The 2nd usage of zoophilia is the more literal translation of the Greek words “zoo” (see on top of), and “philos,” which means “to love,” or “love of.” In this definition, there are literally millions of zoophiles all over the world. All zoosexuals are zoophiles, as are all those who have a true love and respect for animals. Zoophilia need not have anything to do with physical attraction, though in the case of zoosexuality it often does. A perusal of the vast face of work written in tribute to beloved animals, assistance animals, or animals in general will provide many superb examples of the love persons can feel for animals.
Bestiality has long been used as the “dirty” word to denice sexual contact between persons and animals. Oddly enough, it also can be used to denice “beastly” behavior in persons which has nothing to do with sex, and in fact describes behavior that no self-respecting animal would ever engage in. Within zoosexual circles, the term bestiality usually refers to a sexual relation in which the person is primarily interested in the sexual aspect and often has little or no emotional attachment to their animal partner.
There is a 4th term that is more universal and less confusing, but should be mentioned in order to help denice the others. That term is fuck. fuck is, by definition, non-consensual sex. The gender, age, or species of the beings involved is of no consequence. Are there people who fuck animals? Sadly, yes. There are a number of very ugly things done to animals in the name of sexual gratification for persons. These include:
This list could get long and very graphic, which is not the point here. The most important point is the difference between a bestialist and a rapist. A bestialist would not do any of the things listed on top of, while a rapist might do any or all of them. These definitions will be important to know for the discussion of legality.
Today I found a site with alot of information about person/animal diseases. This is the most comprehensive essay on the subject of person/animal health that I have ever seen done and it was put together in order to further the beneathstanding of those who may have concerns. It is an exceptional piece of work!
take a look at: Zoophilia and Health
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